
For the past 7 months, I have been using prescription strength Retin-A.
Retin-A , Renova and/or Generic Tretinoin Cream is an emollient and is much less harsh than what I tried as a teenager. I have read that every person over 30 can benefit from using Retin-A. That is unless you are pregnant.
After mentioning using Retin-A in a recent post, Marilyn made the comment:
“I used Retinoids in my 40’s – they are great – but insurance companies are extremely hesitant to cover the prescription products (Retin A comes to mind), which from my experience, give the best results. Stupid insurance companies.”
No kidding! A container of Retin-A can run almost $100 bucks! It will last a long time though. I am still working on the same tube I started 7 months ago, and I have noticed some great improvements while using it consistently. These benefits have been clearer, more even, and firmer skin.
My Dermatologist explained to me that generic Generic Tretinoin Cream is the same as using name brand Renova and is a lot less expensive.
According to Paula Begoun:
Most over the counter brands contain retinyl palmitate instead of retinol or retinaldehyde. Retinyl palmitate does not convert to retinoic acid the active, beneficial form of vitamin A as readily as retinol or retinaldehyde. That’s important, because retinoic acid is the substance that can communicate with a skin cell to tell it to function normally.
So although you can benefit from using retinyl palmitate, you will get better results using retinol or retinaldehyde which is found in prescription strength cremes and ointments.
The main benefits that retinoids offer are that they stimulate collagen production in the skin, and also increase the cell turnover rate which decreases with age. Retinoids should not to be used while pregnant. For treating acne, Retin A will take 6+ weeks of use to notice the benefits. For treating wrinkles, Retin A will take 6+ months to see improvements, and will produce optimal results after a year of continual use.
Side Effects of Retin-A: Every good thing has some drawbacks…
According to the Skin Deep report, here is the safety report of Retinoid Acid ( the same applies to all retinoids):
http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/ingredient.php?ingred06=705541
All Retinoids are used extensively by the medical community, however, all of them cause side-effects. Focusing on the skin, Retin-A sensitizes the skin. This is a long term process and this can only mean the pH has been altered. Retin A- and AHA`s might give the impression of helping bring the skin back to a normal pH as they are very acidic but they are overly acidic and very aggressive. At the beginning the skin feels smooth and readily absorbs all the nutrients but if its use is continued for a long period of time, the skin starts to show symptoms of an acid imbalance (very dry skin), very thin skin, it gets very intolerant to several ingredients, it could develop telangiectasias and even hyperpigmentations as the skin becomes intolerant to the sun and unable to protect itself from UV rays.The reason why it is highly recommended by dermatologists and conventional estheticians is, besides the reason you mention, it also helps accelerate the cell renewal cycle. This is specially helpful on mature skins whose cycle keeps getting slower and slower. I disagree that this is the only product that stimulates collagen. Vitamin C also stimulates collagen and elastin fibers as well as enzymes. The safe way to get the same benefits (though not so aggressive) as Retin A is to use herbs, foods, rich in Vitamin A.
So lots of things to consider when deciding whether or not to use Retin-A. At this point and time, I am continuing to use Retin A until more evidence can support that it cannot continue to benefit my skin, but Sophyto’s points seem somewhat credible. One source I talked to considers the Skin Deep site as a, “fear-based website that has a lot of flawed information in their data base about products.” It seems like the more you look for answers, the more contradictions you find. Clearly, most medical professionals support the use of Retin-A, including Jeannette Graf, M.D., renowned Dermatologist and author of the book, “Stop Aging, Start Living.”
I would love to hear your experiences, or your research on the subject as well.
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Great post! I am going to the derm in a few weeks to get some Renova, my 34 year old skin is doing things I am not too excited about – lol. I also like the book The Skin Type Solution which is written by dermatologist Leslie Baumann.
Thanks for your comment Critty! I am a fan of Leslie Baumann’s book as well.
I took a look at your website, Pretty by Critty, and it is wonderful!
Best wishes,
Jen
I’ve decided it’s okay to age. So my new mantra is “Start aging, and shut up!” There’s power in all those years!!
That is a good mantra and maybe the title of your own book!
You are so right, we need to embrace our aging and the wisdom that (hopefully) comes as we age. You can always get me smiling Marilyn, thank you.
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jen,
so i turned the big 3-0 this summer and i am ready to do something. (guess i need to adopt marilyn’s mantra still.) i live in mexico and can buy retin a and renova over the counter. soooo- how do i use them? like moisturizer, after cleansing? instead of moisturizer or over it? how much do i use? and do you know if i use it while i’m nursing? (guess i could google it.) TIA!
hope your beans are delish~
rachelle
Hi Rachelle, the beans turned out great!
Lucky you to get Retin-A OTC! And I am not a Doctor, so I can give you some advice, but would strongly recommend you work with a licensed Dermatologist. I have heard that the lowest concentration is where you should start (.025%), and you should research the topic of using retinoids while nursing.
In the PM, after cleansing and allowing your skin to dry, dab a pea-sized amount around face (a little bit goes a long way and this is strong stuff)! Then you can proceed with your moisturizer. You should only use this every other night until your skin adjusts to the retin-A (which will take a few weeks), then gradually build up to using it every night. If you notice peeling or irritation, stop using Retin-A for a few days.
Also, you will need to take particular precautions to protect your skin during the day while using Retin-A. Wear a hat, use sunscreen, and avoiding going outside during the peak sun hours.
Best wishes and please keep in touch!
Jen
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Can men use renova?
I’m a quite sure they can, renova is just a time-released form of Retin-A, and although I am not 100% sure, I would guess that it is 100% fine (if prescribed) for men and women to use this product.
Nice to hear from you Abraham!
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I have used retin-a since I was 14, @ .025 potency. ( I am now 29) I have not had any hyperpigmentation or other side effects. The only thing I have noticed is that I can no longer wax on my face where I use the cream. I stopped using the cream when pregnant and breast feeding because of unknown effects, and possible birth defects. Overall though glad to have it.
I’m 33 and have used Retin-A since I was a teenager..I was also a total tanning bed junkie growing up…and I have to say, I am TOTALLY grateful that I have used them for so long…otherwise I would be one huge age spot!!! Fortunately (and unfortunately) I still suffer from acne occasionally so have to problem getting my insurance company to pay for it….I imagine I’ve saved thousands on fancy potions though!
Smart women to take advantage of the benefits of Retin-A.
So great to hear from you Josi and Kami!
I just was prescribed Ativa, which is a form of Retin-A. I have all these fancy products that I am currently using which I can no longer use since they have some glycolic acid and other harsh ingredients. I get the occasional breakout but am more interested in the cosmetic effects of the cream. Any recommendations for cleansers and/or moisturizers?
Thanks!
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This quote from your SkinDeep expert “and this can only mean the pH has been altered” is patently false. There is no clinical information that will back this statement up. The pH of retinoids are the same or near the skin’s pH. Unlike AHA’s they do not exfoliate the skin by lowering the pH. e have over 20 years of observed data that demonstrates retinoids are SAFE. They are chemopreventative as well as chemotherapeutic and everyone should be on some form of Vitamin A.
I agree that there are other active ingredients that will boost collagen production, but they are marginally effective as a retinoid. Also, retinoids are the only compound that normalize and shrink the function of the sebaceous glands.
Overall this is a very informative post…thanks!
I should disclose that I own a company that produces a retinol product.
hi, i just started using Retin-A a few days ago. i would like to know, what sunscreen would be compatible with retin-A??
Thanks Kevin!
We appreciate your comments and good information here.
I use Retin-A off and on throughout the year for my acne. I usually take a break from it in the summer because I’m so fair to begin with and increased sun sensitivity is not something I need. I like it, and really, I have no wrinkles, but I’m only 27.
I would never think to put it near my eye area though, do people do that too to prevent wrinkles?
Hey Kelly! Congested and acne prone skin can really benefit from using Retin-A, no doubt. I recently read (and I need to remember where my source was from) that it is a myth that Retin-A increases sun sensitivity, although sun protection should be a part of all daily skin regimens. They said that starting Retin-A during the summer is actually a good thing, because our skin is less dry and therefore less likely to be irritated and flaky while beginning retinoids than opposed to during the winter months.
I have used eye products that use higher concentrations of retinoids, and would be cautious about using prescription strength Retin-A around or too close to the eyes.
Best wishes with beautiful skin! Oh to be 27 again…
i’ll recommend this to my mom. i bought retin-a from http://www.medsheaven.com which also works
Hello!
I am 27 y/o and I have been using Retin A Micro for 6 months (every other day). I use it all over my face and under my eyes. The skin under my eyes now seems very thin and almost loose. Is this normal? It almost looks like I have bags under my eyes now. Does the skin get firmer and thicker eventually? I am starting to wonder if I made the right decision using it. The rest of my face looks great! Thanks for your help.
Any women Any women who is of child bearing age would be wise TO NEVER touch a retinoid and to check all creams and all products that may containt the ingrediant they don’t know the total effect of these products on reproduction.
The banned retinoid before this new generation of retinoids that came out and they are still experimental and still causing birth defects and the they don’t know how long after you discontinue use it is isafe to get pregant
These new retinoids are just sub agents that have been altered for a new product BUT its still a retinoid,
Women have been advise not to become pregnant for 2 to 3 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! After last usage that is some serious stuff. THat means there is reason to believe and known facts that retinoids stay in your system and you don’t know when they finally flush out. There is no proof and no studies that say safely you can get pregnant this far after usage.
Retinoids in any form whether mild or not does not matter they are teragens!
If you plan on getting pregnant in the future I would not take them again product and I would check all products for the ingrediant.
skarrlette – Using tretinoin or retinoids during pregnancy is not advised because of the potential embryotoxicity but there are scientific studies in peer reviewed scientific journals that include information about women who accidentally used tretinoin while pregnant. Information from such studies is included in the following article http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2699641/ which summarizes the results of several clinical studies of tretinoin.
From the sample groups studied there was no increase in birth defects among women who accidentally used tretinoin during their pregnancy (while unaware they were pregnant). Doctors still do not recommend using these drugs during pregnancy as due dilligence since anything that can alter dna can pose a risk, but there is no evidence that I have come across in any scientific studies that women must wait 2-3 years after using the product to conceive.
There is no evidence that retin-a accumulates in the body and at the levels taken in these skin care products it is safe unless a person has a liver problem. This is why it is prescribed only by doctors, they can vet patients for any contraindications.
Thank you for all the good info! My question is simple.
Does the Retin-A remain in your system, if so for how long? I stopped using it last week, and was going to try to conceive on my next cycle.
I am prescribed a tiny amount and actually don’t always use it! I have acne/congested skin. Should I wait to conceive, or is it okay to go ahead and start trying?
How soon after stopping is it safe to get pregnant?
Thanks!
Hi and very nice to hear from you! I am not sure how long Retin A remains in your system after stopping its use, so I cannot give you anything but speculation. Anyone out there know?
Best wishes Gigi!
Jen
Hi Jen, I’m spanish and 27 and started using retin A. It was a lil strong for my face at the beginning so I stopped for a few days, I have noticed now that my face is becoming a lil sensitive and I’m scared of sun damage after using this. I love the beach and the sun, but would this give me some dark spots if I use it over the summer, or should I Stop? I just don’t want to have dark spots… I’m using bc of acne that developed not long ago…what do you Recommend?
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Thanks for this post.
I’ve been referring to the skindeep site for quite a while and if I follow them to the letter, I won’t be able to find a solution to my skin problems. Almost every ingredient has some sort of danger!
And they products they do recommend are mostly unreachable where I’m at.
Retin A has a lot more scientific studies backing it up than denouncing it.
I’ve read and met a lot of people in their 50’s who has been using Retin A since they were young adults and they’re ok.
I’m more inclined to continue using Retin A, than not.
I’ve been using Retin a since my late 20’s. I just turned 40 and no one can believe it. I have no wrinkles around my mouth and no crow’s feet. I have relatives in Mexico so anytime I would go there I would buy it without a prescription and for less than $20 a tube. I highly recommend it.
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